Well, at the close of the war, a great many people, of course, wanted to get
back to their original jobs or get back to better jobs. A number of the younger people had not
received— had not got their PhDs, they wanted to get PhDs. Some wanted to get Masters degrees. A
great many people were jockeying for new positions, better positions and wanted to get out in
the real world, and were a little tired of living in a closed community like Los Alamos. And
while in almost all cases, they shared the general program of the laboratory, the atomic...
couldn't come to a close in 1945-46, it would have to go on. There were many things to be done.
Nevertheless, they themselves wanted to do something else. So in general there was an exodus of
people to other academic positions, to industrial positions. It was helped, I was helped in
part by the fact that the military, the Navy particularly, decided to ...the Bikini operations,
... Bikini operations in the Spring of '46. And I managed to persuade plenty of people, enough
people, to stay through that with me by postponing their departure for academia until September
of that year. And so we got through then. But about by September, I had to face the problem of
building a permanent staff. And so I had to be a little bit cruel I suppose is the word, and ask
people either stay with me and help build Los Alamos to be the sort of laboratory we all want,
and we'd have to determine what we all want is, or maybe now is a good time to find your, you
mentioned a science society. And I called that process shaking the tree. That was very
effective. By the end of, well, by the end of that year, by let's say October, November, I was
down to about 1,400 people, from somewhere around 4,000. And from that time on we grew steadily.
What it is now I guess around seven thousand or something.