Division, unity and Buddhism in Vietnam
SR 2095
THICH MINH CHAU
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Interview with Thich Minh Chau, 61, Buddhist Superior. In English, transcribe as is.
Interviewer:
Could
you tell us a little about when Buddhists, when Buddhism is strongest and when it’s not, I
mean if you would look right at me.
Thich Minh Chau:
Buddhism was introduced into
Vietnam about 2nd century A.D. And
from that time, you see, the Buddhists are very faithful to their own religion, mostly during
the period when the Vietnamese got full independence, not under the
Chinese domination. The
Buddhism was very flourishing and we were very active in the cultural,
social, education activities of the country.
For instance, during the
dynasty of Ly, dynasty
of Tran, you see,
you can say that Buddhism was almost the... the ... the nation's
religion of the country. So we were very happy during the time when we
got full independence and full sovereignty. But when the country
suffered from foreign domination mostly we suffered one thousand years
Chinese domination, at the
time of course we are very unhappy. And Buddhism also shared the same
fate with the people.
Interviewer:
What
about when the country was divided in 1954? How did the Buddhists feel? Could you have
accepted two Vietnamese if there were less religious
discriminations?
Thich Minh Chau:
Of
course (interruption because of noise) I can say that to the Vietnamese
peoples and also to the Buddhist peoples, Vietnam was only one country. And people, the
Vietnamese people, are only one people. We have no divisions, south,
north or center. All these are imposed on the Vietnamese people mostly
by the colonialist peoples. So as Buddhists we are only happy when our country is unified,
united, only one. And we also were very happy if we have only one
government working for the welfare of the country and keeping up the
Buddhist tradition of the
country.
Interviewer:
Would
you comment on your fears about the American presence in Vietnam and how
it would affect the culture?
Thich Minh Chau:
Of
course you know that the life of the American is totally different from
the ancient way of life of Vietnam. You see, we are not accustomed to
all this kind of luxury and these kinds of divisions, influences that
divide the family. So when the American's civilization came into our
country, of course we have to suffer from such influences. So the is why
the Buddhists are not so happy
with the American's civilization.
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Thich Minh Chau:
You
know the Vietnamese peoples they mostly they respect the... our own
traditions. And these traditions are influenced by Buddhism. So the
Buddhist way of life is
most respected by the peoples. When the foreign or American influence
came into our country, these influences disrupted the old way of life
and disrupted also the simple way of life that we are accustomed to. So
that is why many Buddhists are
against this new way of life imported from foreign country.
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THICH MINH CHAU
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Interview with Thich Minh Chau continues. In
Vietnamese.
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Interviewer:
Please tell us again – this time in Vietnamese – how Buddhism
identifies with the country when the country is strong and not when it
is weak and divided.
Thich Minh Chau:
It can be said that Buddhism
entered into Vietnam in the 2nd century
A.D. From the time of its entrance into Vietnam to the present
time, the Vietnamese Buddhists
have always been faithful to their traditional religion. And during the
periods when the country was unified and independent, Vietnamese
Buddhism flourished. For example, during the Ly and the Tran dynasties
Vietnamese Buddhism was regarded as a national religion. And the
Vietnamese Buddhists were also
very unified in their effort to build the nation.
It can be said that the monks contributed very
significantly to the cultural, artistic and educational life of the
Vietnamese people. Whenever Vietnam lost is independence and sovereignty
such as during the 100 years under Chinese domination or the 117 years under French and
American domination when the country was divided and the people
suffered, then Vietnamese Buddhism also had to endure much losses and
suffering.
Therefore, to the Vietnamese
Buddhists, Buddhism and the
nation of Vietnam are one. The glory of the country is only the glory of
the Buddhist Church and the
shame of the country is also the shame of Buddhism. Therefore, we wanted
more than anything else the independence of the Vietnamese nation.
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Interviewer:
Could
you comment, please, on the effect of American culture on Vietnam?
Thich Minh Chau:
As you may have realized the
Vietnamese people have a long standing religious tradition which has
been influenced by Buddhism and in part by Confucianism. When the
American influence came into the country it turned upside down and
disrupted the simple way of life of the Vietnamese people. For example,
you can see that in a Vietnamese pagoda life is very tranquil and
simple.
And in a Vietnamese family
you usually had a kind of harmony between parents and children, creating
a real extended family feeling. But when the effect of American culture
became widespread in Vietnam, it disrupted the family life in Vietnam
and the very tranquil and simple life of the Vietnamese pagodas. For
this reason the Vietnamese Buddhists as well as other Vietnamese could not accept the
influence of the degenerated way of life and the violence brought about
by American culture.