Kooper:
Well, I tried not to -- uh, when I'd get called for
sessions after the success of "Like A Rolling Stone," I tried not to betray
the Bob Dylan sound per se. You know, I mean you couldn't buy that for a
nickel. So, I had other problems too, is I would, uh, if there was a session
I didn't want to play, I didn't think, I wasn't bright enough to say, well,
I'm booked then. Well, no, actually I was, and then they would say, well,
can we do it then, so, and they'd keep going until they'd get me. So on the
sessions that I really didn't want to do, I said, you know, I charge triple
scale, which was unheard of at that time. And they'd go, okay, no problem.
And I'd go, oh God. And then I'd really be embarrassed. So I got into some
unbelievable messes. I remember, uh, one session, that was the Simon
Sisters. It was Carly Simon and her sister Lucy being managed by Albert
Grossman, Dylan's manager. And the, uh, the producer, the arranger on this
date was Gary McPharland, this big jazz arranger. And I, I walked in with a
polka dot shirt on and my long hair and some earring in my left ear, this is
1966. And uh, and there's like half of Count Basie's band in there. And I
go, and you know, I recognize them because I'm a jazz fan. And I went, oh my
God, what am I going to do now? And I walked over to the organ, and like the
part was like, I couldn't read it, it was so complicated. So I went, I'm
sunk. This is it. This is, this is it. So I went over to Gary McPharland and
said, hi, Al Kooper. And he went, oh, nice to meet you. Heard a lot about
you. And I went, bet you didn't hear this. And I said, listen, I'm a real
big fan of your's and just about everybody in this room. And uh, uh, I can't
play this part that's on the organ at all. I mean I can't read it at all. He
says, well, here's what you do. He says, fold it, until it's closed and put
it on the bench, the organ bench and then sit down on top of it and play
whatever you want, because that's why they hired you anyway. I said, God
bless you. And I went back and I listened to the song a few times and I
started playing, and I got through the session, and I just said to myself, I
can do anything. If I can play in a room with Count Basie's band, me,
playing the stupid organ that I played at that time, then I can do anything.
I can get through any session. And uh, the only calamity I ever had, and it
was a bad one, was, uh, my friend Bill Sczymzyk was producing B.B. King. And
he called me two months before the session to book me for it. And I said,
yes, I'm in, I'm so excited. I'm going to count the days. And I did, I was
so excited to play with B.B. And I got to the session and it was, uh, uh,
Herb Lavelle was playing drums and uh, I really can't remember who else was
on the session. And uh, it was very disorganized, much like a Dylan session.
Because B.B. is a very nice guy but he's not like a take charge leader guy.
And neither is Sczymzyk. And so there we all were looking at each other. And
at times like that I would jump into the breech and you know try and bark
some orders around and make it work if I could. And uh, so I said to, uh,
Herbie Lavelle, uh, why don't you play like a fatback thing? You know, and
he looked at me, like, that was the worst thing I could ever do in my life,
was address him like that and tell him what to do. And he looked at me and
said, "Fatback," like that. And I went, oh, jeez, and I like, and like the
whole vibe was like, for me, was like blown. And I started to get this
incredible migraine headache. And uh, there was just this really bad tension
between Herbie Lavelle and me. And by the end of the night, I think we cut
one song, by the end of the night I went over to Sczymzyk and I said, I
think you should get a sub for me tomorrow night, because like Herbie,
Herbie hates my guts, or get a sub for him, one or the other. He says, well,
you know, B.B. really wanted Herbie to play. I said, okay, then you know,
got with plan A like I said. Get somebody for me, because this ain't gonna
work, it's gonna blow your whole thing and you know it's my fault too. So,
the next night, they cut "The Thrill Is Gone." And I missed being on that,
and I was really looking forward to that. So I think that was the worst
tragedy of my session career. There were many, many high points and
wonderful times, and challenging things and it's still ongoing today. But
those are the two I remember.