WAR AND PEACE IN THE NUCLEAR AGE – TAPE D0100A NORMAN COUSINS [2]

American Decision to Bomb Hiroshima

Interviewer:
DO YOU RECALL THE DAY THE BOMB DROPPED AND YOUR REACTIONS?
Cousins:
I don't suppose that anyone who was alive on August the 6th, 1945 and old enough to look at a newspaper and read a headline will ever forget that day. Yes, I have a very vivid recollection of that day. I...I was living in Connecticut at the time, but I stayed late and so I stayed over at the home of my physician Dr. Hissig in New York City. And he had the Times delivered every morning. And I picked up the copy of the Times and there spread large was the headline about the Atomic bomb being dropped on Hiroshima. I had been... At the time... At the time I was editing the magazine USA put out by the United States government for distribution overseas in a number of languages. And...we would receive government reports so we were following the development of new weapons technology very closely, but nothing had been said about an atomic bomb. And so I... I was completely taken by surprise. As I read the story the big question that occurred to me, inevitably was, how is it that we didn't have a demonstration of the power of the bomb before dropping it on human beings. That I didn't understand. The fact that we used this vast new power on human being...without issuing an ultimatum to Japan, which would then have the responsibility for making that decision, that...that fact was, to me, a devastating one. And I wondered about it at the time. And... it stayed with it...it stayed with me, especially when the President came on to make an announcement that...he dropped the bomb because he wanted to avoid an invasion that would have caused hundreds of thousands of lives. And ...I didn't see how this particular need...would not have been maintained or how a...how this affected a test bombing because he still could have had a demonstration of the power of the bomb. And...if the power was as great on the test target, as it was on...on Hiroshima then ...that would have said the same thing to the Japanese... with respect to an invasion. So I still didn't see how the argument about an invasion applied to a demonstration about the power of the bomb.
Interviewer:
DO YOU RECALL THE FIRST DAY HOW YOU HEARD THE FIRST NEWS AND WHAT YOUR IMMEDIATE GUT REACTION WAS?
Cousins:
Well, my first awareness came in picking up a copy of the New York Times, and I stared at the headline. I must have read the headline 4 or 5 times before I went on to the news story. It was a tremendous shock. I don't think I felt elation. The big question that occurred to me was...How is it that we didn't demonstrate the power of the bomb before using it on human beings? That was my...dumb impression. That afternoon I spoke at the Waldorf Astoria before a group of businessmen -- Found them all in a state of great elation over this. And I raised that question. I...I remember saying to them, Yes, the war is drawing to an end, but I'm not sure that it was necessary to kill 100,000 or more human beings in order to bring this about. And then in the...months and years after the bomb, the bits and pieces began to come in about the decision to drop the bomb. Things that had not been told to the American people. One thing for example that had not been shared with the American people was that...the United States was racing against a deadline with respect to ending the war. And that...a test demonstration would have used up valuable time. Well, what do we mean when we say, valuable time and what is the deadline? The United States and Soviet Union had agreed that the Soviet Union would come into the war on August the 15th, 1945. This had been agreed at Yalta where the date that had been set at that time was August 8th, 1945. But... at the time that date was set, which was at Yalta, Germany had not been defeated. Roosevelt was still alive. Then when President Truman went to Potsdam in Germany to meet with Premier Stalin the firm date...was fixed as August the 15th, 1945. But once we discovered, and this was on July the 16th while...from the period of July the 16th through the 25th while Truman was at Potsdam at the approximate period at the end of the last 2 weeks in July. When Truman got word that the United States had successfully tested an atomic bomb at Alamogordo, suddenly things changed. Because now, we recognized that it would be possible to finish off Japan without the assistance of the Soviet Union. Now this may...the decision may have been justified. My point is that the American people were not told exactly what the situation was. We were given the impression that the bomb was necessary in order for it to avoid an invasion. We were not told that the reason for dropping the bomb was that we, having persuaded the Soviet Union to come into the war, we now discovered a way of ending a war without the help of the Soviet Union. I...I have been looking at the actual documents and there's some very interesting... There's some very... We got some very interesting material here which demonstrates that the bomb was not necessary to win the war. For example, Truman's own journal which...was lost...as a matter of fact for a number of years because Charles Ross, the Presidential secretary had borrowed...the papers and hadn't returned them. And so... they were missing. But they finally turned up. And in these papers we read from Truman's journal that...We read that Truman kept pressing Stalin for his specific plans on entering the war. But then...and in fact the moment that he had this unequivocal assurance, he wrote in his diary...on July the 17th. He said, "Most of the big points are settled." reporting his conversation with Stalin. "He'll be in the Jap war on August the 15th. Japan is finished when that comes about." Then the next day he wrote in his diary that he believed that Japan would fold just when it learned... at the point when it learned that the Soviet Union would come into the war. So there's no question about the fact that Truman believed that the war was going to end very soon. And that just the fact that the Soviet Union was coming into the war would be enough to get Japan to pull out. But now we...we find some other entries here. Incidentally we find that in his entry of July 18th, 1945, the President gave additional evidence that Japan was ready to quit the war because he said that he'd received from Stalin a copy of a document...in which the attempt of the Soviet... the attempt of Japan to seek peace terms was revealed. Since the Soviet Union was not then at war with Japan, Japan wanted Moscow to use its good offices with Washington to ask for peace terms. Stalin gave Truman at Potsdam the cablegram, the actual cablegram, in which on the authority of the Emperor the Soviet Union was asked to inquire about peace terms. So it is not true to say, and this is the impression that President Truman gave the American people, that Japan was resolute on keeping... on continuing the war. And that only an invasion could have brought about Japan's defeat. Well, we have some additional information here. First that on hearing the news that the United States had an atomic bomb, President Truman wrote in his diary that the United States had an obligation to issue a warning about the existence of the bomb. His actual words were: "Even if the Japs are savage, ruthless, merciless and fanatic," he wrote, "We as the leader of the world for the common welfare cannot drop the terrible bomb on the old capital anew." And then he wrote that he had issued...an order for a warning to Japan about the bomb asking them to surrender and save lives. Well, this was not done. Why was this not done? It was not done...because of the fact as I said that they wanted to get the war over with before the Soviet Union came in. A warning would have used up time. A test demonstration would have used up time. Now here we have James F. Byrnes, his testimony. Byrnes was Secretary of State under Truman. He accompanied Truman to Potsdam. In an interview he gave on August the 15th... to US News and World Report, he answered a question. The question was: Did we want to drop the bomb as soon as possible in order to finish the war before Russia came in? Byrnes replied, "Of course we were anxious to get the war over as soon as possible." But this was a rather equivocal answer and so the interviewer persisted, "Was there a feeling of urgency to end the war in the Pacific before the Russians became too involved?" Now at this point, Byrnes was unambiguous. Quote: "We wanted to get through the Japanese phase of the war before the Russians came in." close quote. Now this was amplified in the diaries of James Forestall…in which... Who was then the Secretary of the Navy. In his...diaries he wrote, "I talked with Byrnes now at Potsdam. Byrnes said he was most eager to get the Japanese affair over with before the Russians came in." Close quote. Now we come to Leo Szilard the...famous physicist who was one of the prime...scientific figures in the development of the bomb. He had some conversations with Secretary Byrnes. And he repeated the same points that Byrnes had told US News and World Report. And then he added that he, Szilard, was told by Secretary Byrnes that he and President Truman, Byrnes and Truman believed the use of the bomb on a live target before the war was over was necessary to make an impression on the Russians and to make them more manageable in a post war world. Now what about this question concerning Japan's military situation at that time. Was it true that...Japan was going to fight to the bitter end making an invasion necessary. Let's look at the testimony of Admiral William D. Leahy who...was the military aide to the President and the...and who wrote... his memoirs under the title, I Was There. In these memoirs...Admiral Leahy wrote that all the evidence available to him indicated that Japan was on the verge of surrender even before the bomb was dropped. He, Leahy, said that he was opposed to the use of the bomb on human being both on military and moral grounds. I now quote from...from Leahy's memoirs. "It is my opinion that the use of this barbarous weapon at Hiroshima and Nagasaki was of no material assistance in our war against Japan." The Japanese were already defeated," said Leahy, "and ready to surrender because of the effective sea blockade and the successful bombing with conventional weapons. My own feeling is that in being the first to use the atomic bomb we had adopted an ethical standard common to the barbarians of the dark ages" Close quote. General Eisenhower. Eisenhower wrote that he shared Leahy's moral repugnance over the use of the bomb on a live target. In Eisenhower's book, Mandate the Change, we find his reaction on learning from Secretary of War Stimson about the fact that the bomb that we intended to use it. Quote. We now quote Eisenhower. "Due to Stimson's recitation of the relevant fact, I had been conscious of a feeling of depression. And so I voice...voiced to Stimson my grave misgivings. First on the basis of my belief that Japan was already defeated and that dropping the bomb was completely unnecessary. Secondly, because I thought our country should avoid shocking world opinion by the use of a weapon whose employment was, I thought, no longer mandatory to save American lives." George C. Marshall who was Chief of Staff. Marshall told the President he thought that we ought to have a demonstration bombing perhaps against a naval installation distant from a population settlement. Finally, what about the chiefs of staff themselves. In 1946, there was a publication published by the department the Department of...War Department in what was called...Japan's Struggle to End the War issued by the US Strategic Bombing Survey. Even if the bomb...atomic bomb had not been dropped, the survey found, I now quote, "...air supremacy over Japan could have exerted sufficient pressure to bring about unconditional surrender and obviate the need of an invasion certainly prior to the end... to the 31st of December, 1945. And in all probability prior to the first of November, 1945." We have other quotations here from... the military figures, but I think that...that the evidence is clear that we've tried to re-write history.
Interviewer:
CAN YOU START THAT AGAIN...
The evidence is clear from other military sources that Japan was on the verge of surrender and that we have now been attempting to rewrite history in a way that makes it appear that the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki were absolutely necessary to win the war. I have been living very uneasily with this fact. For some years. I've been in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. I've carried out medical projects...in those cities we have brought...people who have been maimed or injured by the bomb to the United States for plastic reconstructive surgery. We've also trained Japanese doctors in... plastic reconstructive surgery. And I must say that when I visit the city as I did again recently and looked at the survivors, this weighs very heavily on me. In warfare we...we have to do terrible things. But as Admiral Leahy said, Even in warfare you always have to ask yourself the question: Are you taking life unnecessarily? Are you making responsible decisions? In this decision it was clear was more for the purpose...more for political purpose in making the Soviet Union more manageable in the post-war world than it was for the purpose of ending the war which the American people were told.
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