He was, he was very strongly for the, for the communist movement. He believed in it. Remember he said that...what did he say...what he meant was we will outlive you and some people, what was the word...?
Yes, we will bury you. Ah, people thought that meant he was going to drop an atomic bomb on us. It wasn't at all. He meant, he meant from a time schedule standpoint. He said capitalism had replaced feudalism and communism was going to replace capitalism. This was on a time schedule.
But he was quite genial, had a good sense of humor, and always treated me courteously. But was very tough about the subjects he believed in. And he was, in this Lao situation, he was quite ready to have it succeed, but he wasn't ready to...to...I mean I don't think he was able to send any more men down there. I think part of the trouble carrying out this Pushkin agreement...incidentally, Pushkin died, which was a great tragedy because we couldn't continue negotiating with him. And there was no one in the foreign office who knew the details as he did. Which was really a great loss. He just didn't have the facilities, nor did he have the influence in North Vietnam to change their policy.
But we did talk...he was very anxious to develop trade. He spoke about that at this meeting. He spoke about the fact that we had blocked him getting a big pipeline.
He thought that there were those in this country who felt if we gave him the big pipeline that would give them a lot of money in exporting oil to Europe
, Eastern Europe
. And he said that we had to make our own pipe and the net result was it cost us a lot more money and...the Germans it cost a lot of effort but we got it done and the Germans lost some business.
He spoke about desire to have trade. And in a way he rather indicated that he would like to have...the beginnings of what is now called détente. That he would like to be able to come to an understanding with Mr...President Kennedy on our relations so that we could avoid, we could avoid difficulties.
He was...I talked to him about Cuba
. He was leaving troops in Cuba
, which was very embarrassing. And I didn't get too far with that. But he, he did get quite far along in terms of trying to get together. And remember, that in three months, three months later, I negotiated for President Kennedy, with the British, with Khrushchev, the limited test ban agreement. And he was for, very strongly, for reducing the dangers of nuclear war and that was the first step, we didn't accomplish as much as we'd hoped but it was a very important ecological agreement.
Because testing the air, you know, forget it, it was very dangerous. Probably forgotten. But in those days when you were testing the air and the Russians were...We didn't know if we could let our children drink milk because the...contamination would go over the grasslands and cows would eat the grass and they'd get...their milk would be contaminated. So the limited test ban was very useful ecologically but it didn't stop the arms race unfortunately.