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Lodge Interview Vietnam ProjectSide 2 in progress This is just uh...the warm-up for the cameras. Uh...As I recall you were talking about how you went to this counter-insurgency school and uh, then visted with uh Tran Van Chuong and his wife, the South Vietnamese ambassador in Washington. And when we get back onto uh sound, perhaps you could tell me about her, relate her comment about her prediction about the future in Vietnam. And then I want to go on a little bit and talk about instructions that uh, ? Yeah, tape. So I think the thing to do is change reels now... All right, change it. I'll do it over again. It's just the reel; we have to change the tape. What I'd like to do here, Cabot, is sort of engage you in a discussion about these

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VIETNAM HENRY KISSINGER SOUND ROLL 467, TAPE 1, SIDE 1 Vietnam Project for WGBH. This is April 17, 1982. This is an interview with Kissinger. Production number TVP 013. Has a reference minus eight db zero. And there's a hiss for azimuth alignment. Sound roll 467. This will be picture roll 2462, , but I didn't feel strongly about it one way or another. Probably I, like most others, was leaning towards supporting the involvement, but I didn't examine it. In 1965 I went to Vietnam as a consultant to Ambassador Lodge and had an opportunity to travel around the country and I, . Beep, Beep, Beep. End of SR 467. Tape 1, Side 1. VIETNAM HENRY KISSINGER SOUND ROLL 468, TAPE 1, SIDE 2 This is April 17, 1982. Continuing interview with Dr. Kissinger for Vietnam Project. Production TVP

. What was behind the decision to appoint Henry Cabot Lodge as Ambassador to Saigon? Do you think that, that President Kennedy saw the appointment of a Republican as a way of protecting himself in the event that Vietnam fell? Oh, I don, was behind the decision to appoint Henry Cabot Lodge, as Ambassador to Saigon? Did President see the appointment of a Republican as a way of protecting himself in case Vietnam fell? I don't know whether he was thinking of Vietnam falling, at that time of Vietnam falling. I think he picked Lodge 'cause he thought that it was good to have the situation a bipartisan, after all, Eisenhower and Dulles had had commitments in Vietnam. And I think he thought it was a way to strengthen the situation politically plus the fact

Conein and myself at a dentist-friend of mine, or I would even go to the Caravelle to help with a theater performance, but really to see Conein. And so as a result it was like that. Little by little Conein made me understand that the Americans agreed. But Conein always spoke of the name, Cabot Lodge. And Cabot Lodge told me nothing. We just have to change the film. It’s going very well. We just have to back, . Well, those were the Americans before me. There was Conein who told me one thing, supposing Conein was coming on behalf of Cabot Lodge, the ambassador - and General Harkins, who is Cabot Lodge’s adjunct, who told me that he was against the coup. So, put yourself in my place. I said, “I don’t know what